Giants vs. Dodgers, Bumgarner vs. Kershaw , 30 year Curses
As the 2018 season is officially underway, we enter the belly of the beast and welcome our biggest rival to the podcast. Andre Anderson is a ecommerce & digital marketing expert that grew up in Pasadena and now resides in San Francisco. And, while he is a devoted Dodger fan, we’re happy to welcome him to the for the fans by the fans podcast.
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Benjamin: Welcome back to the San Francisco giants, addition of for the fans by the fans of podcast where we bring you your weekly dose of all things, San Francisco giants, baseball. From the fans perspective, I'm a lifelong giants Fan and your host Benjamin Shapiro. As the 2018 season is officially underway, we entered the belly of the beast and we welcome our biggest rival to the podcast. Andre Anderson is in E-commerce and digital marketing expert that grew up in Pasadena and now lives in San Francisco and while he's a devoted dodger fan, were very happy to welcome him to the podcast. But before we spend the next 30 minutes talking about tie black out pitching Clayton Kershaw on opening day, I want to remind you that this podcast is brought to you on behalf of our friends at fanatics. Fanatics is the global leader in licensed sports merchandise. They have the world's largest collection of official sports apparel from the leagues, teams and players that you love. So even if you're a dodger fan and let's say you want to relive the memory of your last world series, fanatics has everything from a custom throwback, Kirk Gibson Jersey to a statute memorializing the fact that it's been 30 years since the dodgers have won a championship. And that said, Andre, welcome to the Pod, my friend.
Andre: I am so excited to be here. I will have to say that I'm a dodger fan in exile. So I've been living in San Francisco for 18 years and what I wouldn't give to see the looks on everyone's faces when we win a championship. I don't know how long I'm going to have to wait 30 years since our last real memorable moment, if you asked me,
Benjamin: it's been a minute since the dodgers have gotten to the mountain top and you were close last year. So why don't we start by you telling us how you became a dodgers fan. I asked this to a friend, John Wilson, whose needs fan in the last podcast. How does that happen to someone?
Andre: I'll have to say, as you mentioned in the intro, by the way, and I love that radio Voice, born in Pasadena, grew up in southern California. I actually went to college here in the bay area, so I spent half of my adult life in the bay area. I went to Santa Clara University, the homeless, the Nash that's going to basketball, tangent,
Benjamin: basketball hall of Famer as of yesterday.
Andre: He just got elected to the hall of fame. So growing up in the shadow of dodger stadium, Pastina only nine miles away. It's kind of hard not to be a dodger fan. I mean, I grew up when we had, you know, in Philip, Bill Russel, Steve Lopes and Steve Garvey or as I see. Whoops. I'm in Davey Lopes. Yeah, I'm a real fan. I'm an old man now.
Benjamin: So that's, that's the late seventies, right?
Andre: Yeah. Well they were like an intact in-field for, I don't know, like seven or eight years, which I think at the time was a record. So we've won several pennants the seventies and of course we beat the Yankees [inaudible] and if there's time I could tell you a funny and true story about our last championship in 88. So that was at that game and game one and I know there's like a million people out there saying that they were at that game, but no lifeline dodger fan. I'm a Laker fan to go on a tangent, but I also liked the niners but I have to say the dodgers have been the team that is continually broken my heart repeatedly, year over year them in the Ucla Bruins and there was a cal fan. You can empathize. So
Benjamin: I have no sympathy for you whatsoever as a cal fan. But the giants have given us hope that it can happen. So cal bears were next someday. So. So tell me your story about the 1989 world series. What was that experience like?
Andre: Well, for 89 world series 88, I'll have to say I was a huge fan of the 89 world series and that sweep of the giants by a's. But for Nineteen Eighty Eight, my dad took me to the world series. My Dad was a banker, and back in those days, you know, you got the up as a banker, you know, do you want that home loan or that hookup for your banker? You had kickbacks. We used to go to rosebowl games and other sporting events all the time. So he took me to the world series. I was stoked. We're the upper blue reserved section in dodger stadium. We're on the third day side. If my memory serves me correctly and we were down, I'd forget the score. I think it was for three. And when Kirk Gibson came up to the plate, people forget that he battled Eckersley at the plate.
Andre: So my dad, in his infinite wisdom, I think when you know, there was two strikes on Kirk Gibson decided, you know what, let's get outta here. We're gonna lose this game and I'm 15 years old. I'm like, all right, whatever. So we get up out of our seats and the process of exiting the stadium, we're in the threshold of the exiting. My Dad had his headphones on listening to Vin scully and I felt this like this rumble. I'm talking to my dad, my dad, dad, what happened? And then this deadpan face like Kirk Gibson just hit a home run. Now all of my friends heard the story. Swear that where the parking brakes. You seen that beyond the outfield in that famous shot where [inaudible] was running the third base. You see the parking brakes in the parking lot. He goes, oh, that was Andre and his dad. That's not true. I was in the stadium literally when this happened, but I did not witness that home run.
Benjamin: So essentially what you're saying is like a true dodger fan. You showed up late to the game and left early even though it was the most important game and dodgers history. We were there on time.
Andre: I was there and not laughed at the fact that Debbie Gibson sing the national anthem. So we were there on time and early saw batting practice. It was a world series, but my dad said, hey, let's get a jump on traffic. And we left with two strikes and Yo wasn't it a tie game? I think we're down by one run
Benjamin: and there was somebody on base.
Andre: Yeah, there was a man on second base. And then of course it's hard to go ahead and run. So
Benjamin: amazing man. That's a bad beat even if you're one not to. Not to make this too painful of an experience for you. But I want to talk about last year's world series and game seven against the Astros. I actually got criticized before starting the podcast that I being too anti dodgers because I was pulling so hard for the other team wearing black and orange. Talk to me about your experience losing in game seven of the world series and how have you recovered since then?
Andre: It's been painful in light of last night's loss. I love Clayton Kershaw. I'm in my office today where my Brooklyn dodger tee shirt and of course I have a couple of reps on my team that are giant fans in their orange Friday. Suppose as I'm doing my eye roll and they were quick to remind me that not only did you guys win, but you went off the home run against Clayton Kershaw and I think that was a difference in this series, which got us to the game seven. It was interesting though that kershaw pitched a couple, two, maybe three good solid earnings were where he didn't give up a home run in game seven, but in the aftermath of finding out that darvish was tipping, his pitches is still been unsettling. We had an opportunity to win that game and he just blew it. He just gave it away in the first like two or three endings. There was really no chance of recovery and I was at a really cool bar. The only dodger bar in the city I believe was cozy keys near California and hide and I was already 10 sheets to the wind by the six man game was over at that point.
Benjamin: So that was a great world series and the power is back in baseball. There were home runs flying out everywhere and then with the dodgers every time they get into the playoffs that seems like they're just on the doorstep and Clayton Kershaw is the thing that typifies the dodgers in the playoffs to me where he just blows up in the biggest moments. How do you feel about Clayton Kershaw as a playoff picture as opposed to. Obviously he's a very dominant regular season pitcher.
Andre: What was it? Two thousand 14 where he got just completely shellacked by the St Louis cardinals were they square like but seven or eight runs that one and name that put that series over. I think before that, I think it was negligible where as to whether or not he was a good or busty playoff guy, but I think it was pretty clear that he's got this monkey on his back when it comes to the post season and I guess the Peyton Manning, pre superbowl ring analogy holds true with him. Solve the regular season, but just can't do it when it comes to, you know, October, November, but all you need is one man. Just come through once. I'm hoping that'll happen this year, but it was disappointing to see him do that. Really gained five. Game five is what makes us. I thought we were home free. We're up for one and he just coughed up home, run after home run. That was a great game by the way. So
Benjamin: here's a tough one for you. Knowing that he is virtually untouchable in the playoffs. Right? If you were guaranteed to have his playoff performance replicated the next time you got to the post season, would you trade Clayton Kershaw for Madison Bumgarner? If I could guarantee that he would just be nails in the playoffs.
Andre: Only if he renounced his allegiance to the black and orange. Kind of like a butler. I love you. Long time giant fans. I have a special place in my heart for Brett Butler, who was an center fielder for the giants, but when he came over to the dodgers in 1991 or 90 it, he actually came out and said, hey man, I so-called native, but I've always wanted to play for the dodgers. If I got that level of renouncement from Madison Bumgarner, I take it, yes,
Benjamin: you would take Madison Bumgarner and you would trade the regular season success for Clayton Kershaw to virtually guarantee a post season when.
Andre: Well, not just the post-season. When I think maybe we should clarify this to one of the world series.
Benjamin: OK. You mentioned Brett Butler. Let's talk about some of the other great players that have played for both the giants and the dodgers. I have a list in front of me. Can you name a couple of players that have played for both teams
Andre: that does sound like a scrolling little known fact and this was a really bad vin scrolling kind of impersonation on the last day of his career or the very end of his career. Jackie Robinson actually was traded to the giants and he said I'd rather retire then become a giant. I throw that out there by the way, Jackie Robinson from my hometown past data, so another reason why I'm a dodger fan. I'm trying to think. Some recent examples come to mind, like a obviously Sergio Romo who washed out than there is of course, the one that really pains me is Jason Schmidt and I am convinced that Ned Colletti was working on the inside for the giants to just ruin our payroll, but I think Jeff Kent was like the only other bright spot I can point to. That was a former giant turned dodger,
Benjamin: so I'm coming through the list. Dusty Baker played for both teams.
Andre: Dad, he's a trader by the way.
Benjamin: Manager and great long-time editor made it to the world series for the giants. He did. Gary Carter played for both teams. Full term is term plan for both the giants and the dodgers. Christy mathewson days and 19. Oh, nine. That was my part. I'm like, this is how it been like a hundred years ago, but yeah, little known fact. Steve Finley, Marquis Grissom, all traders.
Andre: Oral. I recognized her. She was going to say Oral Hershiser
Benjamin: later in his career. Yeah. He played a Brian Johnson, the catcher that hit a home run stand. That guy played for the dodgers. Jeff Kent's potential hall of Famer. Probably not, but who knows? Kenny loft in won marriage shell,
Andre: the Johnny Roseboro bat over the head
Benjamin: and then became a dodger. Brad Penney, Dave Roberts, Sergio Romo, Cody Ross, Jason Schmidt, Duke Snyder, my dad's favorite baseball player of all time. Snyder down. My Dad is a Brooklyn dodgers fan turn giants fan. So he's seen the light there is still hope for you?
Andre: No, no, no. I will probably die in San Francisco, but I'll never be a giants fan.
Benjamin: Andrea, you know what they say once you go black, you never go back.
Andre: I don't know what to say about blue blue show. I'm not going to or come up with anything dirty.
Benjamin: Jose Uribe was also a giant and dodger. So talk to me about, uh, about this season. The dodgers were all basically the same team. What's different from last year's team to this year's team?
Andre: I don't material improvements to the pitching staff or the lineup. Obviously with Turner being out with his broken wrist. That hurts, but I do like the fact that we brought our man back. I'm forgetting his name. Camp Mack camp. Yeah. I'm a real fan guys. Really needed another cup of coffee, but adding Matt Kemp, we're just like bloated in the outfield,
Benjamin: but I'm speaking of Matt Kemp were bloated.
Andre: It is no major improvements, you know, we have Kershaw's or are number one, but I'm not sold on what is our solid number two and I think there's three through five and the rotations kind of questionable. Our bullpens decent, but our middle, the weight relief, I'm still, I'm not sure on. I'm a pessimistic dodger fan. I'm not true. Diehard fan can't rattle off box scores to. But I could tell you that large a, I feel like it's just more of the same from last year.
Benjamin: So the interesting thing to me over the off season is that the dodgers let you darvish go and didn't replace him with another front-line starter. And so really you have this uber, a starter in Kershaw and then you have a series of what I would call back of the rotation starter is kind of like your third, fourth and fifth starter, but those are all of the spots that you're feeling. From what I can tell last year there was actually six starting pitchers that the dodgers employed throughout the vast majority of the season. To me, the big question for the dodgers is can they get consistency out of the back of their rotation like they did last year in? Can they live up to expectations because you know, vegas has them winning something like 94 95 games, which is basically, you know, a clear winner in the [inaudible] Virginia. How do you think the team is going to do?
Andre: I think we're going to win the division. Again, I'm afraid of the diamondbacks by more afraid of the rockies mean. Is there any place that kind of gives you that pit in your stomach? If it's a four game is said and you really need a momentum builder and you've got to go out to Denver and try to at least pull out a split and that place is a graveyard for both the dodgers and giants. There's always been a tight race in the standings and I'm like, oh good. You get to go to Denver. You can be up by 10 runs, that place will just turn on you in a hurry, right. Especially when you have your late relief in there. So I think we're going to win it, but not by much. And I feel like Colorado is the dark horse, the division.
Benjamin: How do you think the giants are going to do this here?
Andre: Where do I start? My Boy Bumgarner Yasiel quick pre-k's best friend is out for two months. So how's that going to fare for you guys?
Benjamin: I was looking at what the line was for the giants before the season and Vegas had them anywhere from 81 to 84 winds. So that is essentially competing for one of the last wild card until sort of the end of the season is most likely what it looks like. And then after Baumgardner got hurt, the line dropped down to 79 wins. So that means that he's somewhere between two and six losses and also some [inaudible] got hurt and wetlands in our closers out. So we've had injuries up and down the pitching staff early in the season. That centrally costs the giants. What Vegas is saying is six wins. It's not good, but truthfully, I don't think that giants are going to make the playoffs myself this year. I think the hope is that they're competitive early and then maybe you can add a piece, but uh, you know, I'd love to hear from the Dodgers perspective, what do you see with the giants and how do you think we're going to do?
Andre: So what are you talking about? Aren't you guys going to win it all? You can never underestimate as much as it pains me to say this. The Guy, even when he was in San Diego, he just always had our teams number when it was announced he was coming here to the giants. I'm like, Oh, this guy is going to ruin us. And so I would never count out a team managed by OCI. And then I guess the thing I was going to ask you is about what you have even when Gloria and you have a McCutcheon added to the roster. So there's gotta be that. I mean, I feel like they're on the downside of their career and don't see a whole lot of upside, but I think with the bullshit and you'll find a way, we'll finally get a dollar out of a nickel. I mean this guy could really work a roster better than anyone in the game, so I feel like you guys could be enough of a threat and there's no doubt, especially in the Post Tommy Lasorda era where my daughter teams are known for just rolling over when they come up here to pack the whole park or whatever we're calling that stadium a foam boost stadium.
Andre: So the fact that Vegas has you at least as a 500 teams still bothers me because it's enough to where you will get up for us and ruin any momentum that we gather. Especially in like June or July.
Benjamin: So you mentioned Tommy Lasorda and the posts Lasorda era, which just makes me want to say boom. Sorry, what that said. Let's talk about the rivalry a little bit. Who is your favorite Dodger of all time?
Andre: I'd have to say it's Mike Piazza. Piazza was just the man he had that kind of weird. Um, Warren Stash. Yeah. Yeah, that's pretty much. Yeah. I was like that weird porn stash and he just probably a lot of good energy to the game and when the O'Malley sold the Dodgers to Fox and betrayed in a way, and then that son of a gun decided to go in the hall of fame as a Mat, I still find that unforgivable, but it was still my favorite Dodger and it has nothing to do at all with what he did in 1983 at the end of the season, which was to push the giant out of the playoffs. So for that alone, he still one of my favorite Dodgers.
Benjamin: Yeah. He was actually what I said was my least favorite Dodger of all time in a previous podcast. Tell me about who is your most hated giant of all time.
Andre: Ooh, I'd have to start with Barry Bonds that damn throw it did back in 1997. Followed by that Brian home run. I just couldn't stand. And that stupid little dangling little bike. What was up with that earring? Like? It was, it cross. I don't know what the hell that was. I don't care man. I just could not stand him as a player when he was with the giants. Look was with the pirates. But uh, I think he also has a post-season now. Clayton Kershaw is living up to you. But yeah, my number one is definitely barry bonds. I think that would be followed by a barry bonds and barry bonds for whatever reason. I didn't like Greg Lefferts.
Benjamin: Yeah. Lefty reliever out of the pen.
Andre: Whenever he came out of the pen sprint through the mouth. Do you remember that? He didn't walk like I used to sprint. I don't know what was up with that. Is it OK to say hey, I think hate is OK in a rivalry. I hated Craig Lefferts. Um, who's your reliever? He died tragically. A Rub back, rob. That I could stand his ass shooter. I say a bad word. Is that gonna? Get bleeped out. Fuck it. I've got to go from the top three. So, so far I said Craig Lefferts, Barry Bonds number one. Rod Back. I'm going to give you one more. I'm going to Bumgarner right there because he's nasty. I don't like the way he liked pouts. When you hit a home run off of them, I dare you madison. Uh, yes. The don't you ever do that again?
Benjamin: Started a fighter. Ever sort of crossed the line in his life. It's definitely always Bumgardner. Talk to me about the most heated giants. Dodgers confrontation
Andre: you've ever seen. Oh, wait a second. Wait, wait. Who's your top like four? Hello there. Hated dodgers. I'll say Tommy Lasorda.
Benjamin: Yeah, Tommy little. It's kind of like you saying Barry Bonds, obviously, possibly the best player of all time. Of course, you're going to hit them. I growing up could not stand Mike Xhosa. I thought he was a dirty player and there was always confrontations at the plate. He would basically run people over on their way down the third baseline. Never a fan despised Gibson, but that's sort of an obvious one and most of that has to do with he was the face of the dodgers championship. The only one since I've been born. But you know, I've had plenty of time to get over that. Piazza was on the list, couldn't stand the porn stash. Matt Kemp, I just hated the sort of Rianna dating bravado and you know, it was kind of a guy that always had a little bit of a braggadocious attitude and never won shit. So those are probably my favorite ones, but at the end of the day it's all just Tommy Lasorda like, well, maybe one of the happiest moments in my life was in the all star game when somebody's either hit a foul ball or let go of the bat and it hit Tommy Lasorda who was the third base coach and he harmlessly toppled over. Those are moments that you just can't make up. And I could relive that in my head anytime. I'm sad. It puts a smile on my face.
Andre: Yeah, I have to confess, I thought it was really cool when I was going to Santa Clara and the early nineties and coming up to a dodger giant game, but the stick and getting there early, the reputation that we have early and apparently leaving early too. So I remember getting there. Batting practice and I think Tommy's Gig or a little bit he would do would be after batting practice he'd get like right in front of like the the pitchers mound and he would do like a full bow to the crowd just like trolling basically all of candlestick to boo him. He would bow one way to Dufus cap on the first base side and to the third base side. And it was a great. I think he'd like revealed in this and that's what I loved about Tommy Lasorda because he, he used to get on these guys like, listen, we have a three-game series in San Francisco and don't you dare, don't you dare roll over. We're going to take two or three and if we get swept we get swept. But don't, you know, try and I feel like in the Bill Russel era and God knows, although the nameless mealy mouth managers we've had since Tommy, they would roll over when they came up to play here at candlestick and now subsequently in foam booth park. So I, I loved Tommy
Benjamin: as much as I despise him and my skin starts to itch when I say the words Tommy Lasorda that he typifies the giants, dodgers rivalry and I was there at the games where he would come out before the game and get booed and bow and have the theatrical and it's cemented the rivalry and made the giants dodgers playing each other's special and got more emotion into it. And that's a huge part of why people love baseball as much as I joke around and we use the word hate baseball was a beautiful thing and having arrival and mostly two storied franchises like the giants and the Dodgers gives us an excuse to, you know, shoot the shit and talk about baseball and live it and it just makes it more fun. So I despise the man from the bottom of my soul. But I appreciate his position in the world and he makes the rivalry what it is, which is something that I think everybody that's truly a baseball fan. And Joyce,
Andre: I have to say, I mean I worked with a couple of Yankee fans in there. A couple of folks are red sox fans and they swear up and down at the Red Sox, Yankee rivalry is like the best in baseball. It's a compelling rivalry. But if you look at the history, hey, the dodger giant rivalry is the oldest and baseball and B, it's actually been a real rivalry. Whereas I think that the Yankees and red sox and the Yankees have owned the red sox for the better part of the last 60 years.
Benjamin: So better part of the last hundred years. Yeah. I was just going to say yeah, yeah. Until recently. And I went to college in Boston and basically the Red Sox were essentially my college sports team because where I went to school, they didn't really have a true athletic program. So I went to a ton of red sox games in Collagen and it was sort of when the team that won the first world series in 86 years for the red sox, beat the Yankees, you know, that was the Pedro idiots, a Johnny Damon, Kevin Malar, Malala, all of those guys, you know, I was there for that rivalry and it's an incredible rivalry. But you're right, it was a blood bath forever and the and dodgers have always been very close, very heated. And up until recently the world series count was relatively competitive too, but not necessarily these days.
Andre: I have no comebacks for any giant fans. Revel in the fact that Jpeg of a empty trophy case that I used to my giant fan friends. And now I can't do that. Now they can do that to me. Well, we have trophy, we have hardware. It's just a spend a little while. So just a little dusty buddy. Lot dusty, dusty, you know, as much as I can not stand the giants. I mean, I do admire associate when he got out of his players because I don't know if all three of those championship teams would be considered a murderer's row level of like all time great teams, I think one of them for sure, but Madison played out of his Gourd in 2014 and then you had just got at the right place right time and you can't, you can't discount that.
Benjamin: Just a collection of gritty players, good pitching and defense and enough hitting to get by.
Andre: Yeah, I mean there was a lot to like. They're at least very. Didn't get a ring, which I. I'm OK with that too. So.
Benjamin: Well I think that's a great place to end. We have some admiration from a dodgers fan and a dig on Barry Bonds. So that's going to wrap up our show for today. Our plan is to do this podcast every week, so if you want more giants baseball in your podcast feed, click that subscribe button. Also, we're just getting started, so hey, we'd love for you to give us a rating and the apple itunes store. That'll help more people find this podcast and also it would be great if you can tell your friends that are giants fans to search f, Taf, BTF, which stands for for the fans, by the fans, wherever they get their podcasts. We launched a website for the fans by the fans, [inaudible] or [inaudible]. We have an instagram account as well, so if you're looking for more giants, baseball, a couple different places, instagram on the web or on your podcast feed, feel free to stay in touch with us. Thanks to fanatics. If you're going to buy your giants gear or your [inaudible] gear, go to [inaudible] dot com slash giants and fanatics. It will give us a couple bucks to help us produce the show and until next time, swinging in a mess. And that's it.